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The Butterfly Effect; what do you think?
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Nicky Mayfair Dec 5 2006, 01:43 PM Post #1
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http://www.perkel.com/nerd/butterflyeffect.htm

I was wondering what the more cerebral of you thought of this, I got into it via Layla Miller - Butterfly - in X-Factor, and am now finding it fascinating.
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Denovissimus Dec 5 2006, 03:05 PM Post #2
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I have pondered this concept before, and believe it does have some merit. In reading that site though, I think he does take it a bit extreme in his explanation though. Him walking his girlfriend at a certain time disturbed the air enough to cause tempurature to drop in the future causing a blackout due to ice buildup and then a baby boom nine months after that? The yard of the house he was thinking of buying would not have been hit by lightning at the time it did had he decided to buy the house and move there because he would have disturbed the air enough to put it off? No. That's extreme and quite fanciful. The ice storm, the blackout, the babies, yes, connected, but not because his retarded ass walked his girlfriend somewhere at a certain time to disturb the air! Get over yourself geek!

Anyway, the concept of the butterfly effect, in and of itself, is entirely within the possibility of reason. It serves to illustrate the concept of synchronicity, which is the real power behind the butterfly effect. Everything in nature is interconnected in various ways, both small and large. There is no coincidence, everything happens for a reason. The reasons may hold no importance to you, but they may for someone or something else. Everything is indeed cause and effect.

But the future is not linear. There is not one straight path to be followed, no mathematical formula or divine blueprint for which every event leading to a future event must follow. Prophecy is based on possibility, not actuality. The future can be changed, because we are free will creatures, and the design of this universe is so grand that it leaves room for more than one path, for more possibilities. But understand that some events can be built, or foreseen, to occur no matter what you do. Is this because they are meant to happen? If Hitler was never born, the world would be different, but perhaps another Hitler type would have eventually come into being. And maybe this Hitler type will have been ten times worse. Are some things just meant to be? That tarnishes the free will theory. Here's what I think.

Some lessons which are essential to development, spiritually, socially, personally, universaly, are brought into being by the actions we as individuals and as a planet as a whole come into play, and continue to come into play, until that lesson is learned. The means by which one or a whole learns the lesson can change, they change by our actions, our free will choices, but the lessons remain.

It is broad in its scheme, and yes it does suggest a grand design, for who can design such a broad lesson plan other than a supreme being? Or force?

But until we can even understand the basic of lessons, which this planet falters in, we cannot even dream to comprehend the lesson planner.

But as far as the butterfly effect goes, yes, the synchronicity of nature and life is such that one tiny thing can have an effect on a larger thing. If one were to go back in time and make a small change, it can potentially have a much bigger and unpredicatable change later. But again, to think in linear terms is both restrictive and confusing. We are free will beings, and the future holds a mulititude of possibilities.
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Nicky Mayfair Dec 5 2006, 03:40 PM Post #3
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you contradicted yourself Jesse, saying that everything is connected, happens for a reason and there is no coincidence; if this is the case then we aren't free-will beings, we're just operating under the delusion that we are
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No no no. That's not a contradiction. Everything happens for a reason by the choices and actions that we make as free will beings, not everything happens for a reason because they are meant to happen. Capice?
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Nicky Mayfair Dec 5 2006, 03:50 PM Post #5
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but how do you define the whole system of 'reason' then?
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la anaconda de chocolatee Dec 5 2006, 03:53 PM Post #6
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this is what the show Daybreak is about! Which I need to watch today on my lunchbreak, now that I am thinking about it. He keeps living the same day over and over but doing one or two things differently each time and each thing he does different has a dramatic different effect.
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"Reason", in this case, is the "why" and the "how" something comes into being.

Let me try to explain in mathematical terms.

Take the number 8. The "reason" the number 8 comes into being is because of the addition (cause and effect) of the numbers 6 and 2. But, there is more than one number (more than one cause and effect factors, more than one path, more than one reason) to bring 8 into being, you can do it with 4 and 4, or 7 and 1, or 5 and 3.

The same thing happens in our everyday lives. The reason I got up this morning was because the alarm clock woke me up, but if the alarm clock didn't wake me up I still would have eventually woke up, either my body telling me its time to wake up, or because of the light outside, or because it was so damn bloody cold.

Did I explain that well enough or did I furthur confuse things?
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everything happens for a reason, but is there an order to it, a pattern?
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Those attuned to the forces which guide synchronicity can probably discern certain patterns, some would call it prophecy or clairvoyance.
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I looked synronicity up on Wikipedia, it says that there is an underlying force or meaning
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Yes, and I mentioned it in my original post here.

Think of a watchmaker, who makes a watch, all the little gears and stuff are in place doing their little jobs with the primary purpose of telling the time. All the gears are interconnected if not directly connected. The force which moves the gears is like synchronicity. What is that force? Energy. Where does the energy come from? Well in modern watches a battery. If one of the gears screws up, the whole watch is affected, even if one part if not directly connected to the other. The force or energy powering it is what binds them, it is unseen, but it is the most powerful.

That power, that energy, which binds us, which flows through everything, making everything connect and synchronize...that is the god force. You need to understand the god force, the power of god and how that power works, in order to begin to comprehend the watchmaker.
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Nicky Mayfair Dec 5 2006, 05:06 PM Post #12
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the god force?
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I liken god to a force rather than a personality. The biggest fault of religion is in anthromorphizing god, making god to be more human so as to better appeal and connect what their limited minds. Time and experience are finally erasing those limitations. Strip away the crown and glory and you still have the power. I don't need god on a throne, I need him like Jesus states in the Gospel of Thomas, split a stone and there god will be.
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Nicky Mayfair Dec 5 2006, 07:13 PM Post #14
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is the Butterfly Effect not something you can control or harness or even use then?
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That is a tricky question. "The Butterfly Effect" is almost like karma, in whatever actions or choices you make will have consequences. Its all about the energy you put out, if your actions are of positive intent you increase the chance of having the positive energy return to you in some form or manner, and same thing with negative energy. I think in having an understanding of how this process works, one can have some limited measure of control. It is how I conduct my curses. If someone has done something which is truely bad, and if there is enough negative energy in and around that person, I focus to amplify that energy and speed up the karmic process so that whatever was bound to happen happens sooner. I can't control what that will turn out to be, but the result will be what is deserved. The forces which guide "The Butterfly Effect" though, or synchronicity, again, one can perhaps envision an outcome but their are too many varibles to try to control. You can line up the dominos and push that first one, but there is no gaurantee that all the dominos will fall into place as it your intent.

At our level of being Nicky, I think the best answer is no, they cannot be controlled or harnessed because it involves energy which human density is incapable of facilitating. Though perhaps artificial facilitators can I suppose be created, even then human understanding is limited in what is being tinkered with and an invitation for doom is opened.

You should check out "The Butterfly Effect" movie with Ashton Kutcher...yes I know, Ashton Kutcher, but it really was an interesting film.
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I also believe Nicky that a person who understands these concepts can make better, and safer, choices in life, knowing the potential outcome of their decisions.
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Jane Dec 5 2006, 08:46 PM Post #17
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I liked that film too :D
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Denovissimus Dec 5 2006, 08:49 PM Post #18
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There is a sequel Jane, without Ashton though, which I will probably never see.
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Hunter Dec 6 2006, 02:50 AM Post #19
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Theres a sequel !?!

:gosh

Anyone seen it ???
Know its title ???

I must see this
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I never saw this movie
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